Rhetoric and Marriage

October 7, 2008

As a university English teacher, I am especially interested in the prop 8 conflict because it hinges on the meaning of one word. People often say they hate writing, that it is so hard, that it is so boring–but in many ways, words and their definitions are central to the foundational make-up of our society. The prop 8 debate exposes this importance of language and our responsibility as citizens to be aware of its implications.

I’d like to preface my discussion by saying that I realize this is a very sensitive subject. I hope that my comments will only serve to offer an explanation, another point of view, in this important discussion. My very last intention would be to offend. I feel that every person deserves respect, joy, and love; I see it as the purpose of our lives to extend this to everyone we meet.

I am voting “yes” on proposition 8. People ask me “why” and I have a hard time defending my position. Yes, I am religious. However, I realize religious arguments, while very valid to me personally, are not persuasive to those who may see this as simply a matter of discrimination–an extremely uncomfortable/ugly idea. I don’t want to discriminate against anyone and I have struggled with this same argument.

I’d like to thank my father for the many conversations we’ve had on this topic. He’s been a lawyer for almost 40 years and we’ve had some enlightening discussions.

The idea of changing the definition of marriage to include same-sex couples is much larger than a simple problem of discrimination. Marriage is a social and religious contract that has not just existed forever, it has always been the foundation of any society.

In our world of wonderful technology, blessed fairness, and awesome knowledge, it is easy to forget that marriage is more than a piece of paper–just vows between two people. Marriage between a man and a woman is “traditional” because that is the way millions of people throughout history have seen it as best defined. As citizens we cannot turn our society away from this critical wisdom.

As individuals in a society, continuing to create a better society, we have the responsibility to sometimes discriminate. Citizens already have to do this all the time. In California we discriminate against smokers: we say they cannot smoke in restaurants, in schools, in buses. Recently, many California cities passed laws to discriminate against those who would drink beer on public beaches. Across California there is a new law discriminating against those who choose to hold phones next to their ears. These are examples where citizens said to themselves, “This behavior does not benefit the whole, something is unsafe, something is potentially destructive.”

We responsibly discriminate against brothers and sisters who wish to marry. We responsibly discriminate against polygamous marriages. We responsibly discriminate against child marriages.

While the consequences for allowing a same-sex definition of marriage are more subtle than the above examples–they exist. The most obvious being, how can we justify the previous marriage discrimination if the traditional definition is changed?

A marriage contract is not just between two people. A congregation is involved, a society is involved, the hope of a future family is involved.

Only kindness, good fortune and friendship should be extended to anyone who chooses a same-sex relationship, however, society cannot approve a same-sex relationship with marriage. The change in definition is unwise and directly counter to a society whose survival depends on the quality of its families as its foundational building blocks.

I know some people will react to this post with anger. That’s okay. This issue is inherently inflammatory. This issue is more important than anger or insults–we need to consider it from all angles, even ones we feel we cannot understand.

I hope to continue discussing the issue throughout the next couple of weeks leading up to the election. Please, if you find something useful here, email this to your friends in California who have a very important decision to make.

For an article with some other very good points:

Protecting Marriage to Protect Children–LA Times

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16 Comments

  • 1. Kristin  |  October 7, 2008 at 2:37 pm

    Thank you so much for putting your talents and skills to work in writing this. I agree wholeheartedly with what you wrote, and believe that we have a responsibility to speak up about this issue. I’m going to link my blog to this post if thats okay! BTW it was wonderful to see you yesterday :)

  • 2. Rachael  |  October 7, 2008 at 4:15 pm

    What a responsible way you have taken in posting something like this. Thank you. We need everyone who can to speak up about this issue. The church rarely is involved in politics, but has chosen to become involved in this issue because of its essential importance.

  • 3. Keith  |  October 7, 2008 at 4:21 pm

    I’m linking too. You bring up some good points, and there is still a lot more to be said on this issue. I’ll write a response.

  • 4. Ina & co.  |  October 7, 2008 at 5:00 pm

    Well said!!! (or written…) :)

  • 5. prop8discussion  |  October 7, 2008 at 7:12 pm

    dear readers:i plan on a continuing discussion during this week. sorry if you think the topic is boring. please keep checking back, please make comments (well-thought), please discuss this issue on your blogs and with your friends.

  • 6. Playa!!!  |  October 8, 2008 at 12:50 am

    Hi this is Dane (Tyler McB’s old roomie). I randomly got sent an email with your blog linked. Random huh? Anyway, nice blog–I really like what you said about discrimination. I started a YouTube page for people to post why they’re voting yes on Prop 8, check it out http://www.youtube.com/prop8supporter

  • 7. Dianey Face  |  October 8, 2008 at 9:11 pm

    it’s Diane (I’m a friend of Keith). I really like the ideas that you have brought up in this post. You have a good blog!

  • 8. Samantha  |  October 9, 2008 at 1:46 am

    this isn’t a well-thought comment, but I just wanted to say that I enjoy what you are writing, look forward to reading more, and I think it’s great what you are discussing. I agree with everything you have written, and wish that I could express my feelings as clearly as you do.

  • 9. prop8discussion  |  October 9, 2008 at 5:57 am

    sam! i think you feel like a lot of people. like they aren’t allowed to say what they think is truly good because others will say they are prejudiced. it’s hard to feel like you will be slammed for simply expressing a belief. especially when you intend no harm to anyone.post a link on your blog. and thank you!

  • 10. Stacie A  |  October 9, 2008 at 6:49 am

    Hi. I don’t know you, but I came across your post and was very impressed. I totally and whole heartedly agree with what you said and how you said it. I have many friends that are gay/lesbian and it’s been a constant struggle to help them realize that it’s not discrimination, yet as you so eloquently described, yet the foundation of society that is being changed. I’ve never thought of it like that before. Thank you for your thoughts and for taking the time to enlighten us. I will definitely be passing along, with your permission of course, your words to the many people struggling with this issue all around me. Thank you again.
    Stacie

  • 11. prop8discussion  |  October 9, 2008 at 7:51 am

    yes stacie, i’m happy you found something useful here. please post.

  • 12. Mary  |  October 9, 2008 at 11:54 pm

    Hey It’s Mary G :-) Thanks so much for posting this! I loved it!

  • 13. nicepearlshoney  |  October 10, 2008 at 2:06 pm

    I’m hoping that you started this discussion in order to promote even further discussion – even if that means inviting conflicting view points. This issue is near to my heart and I hope you allow yourself and other people to read what I responded with. I want to be clear and concise on this: First, marriage is strictly a social institution, as opposed to a concrete object; it is inherently whatever we define it to be. Second, the common understanding of marriage has changed drastically over the course Western history. Initially, it served little purpose other than defining the path of inheritance. Ancient marriages required no official recognition, religious or legal. These both became required in the 16th century, and official ceremonies became requisite in the 18th. In short, we have changed the definition of marriage. Broadening our conception to disregard the sex of the participants is a minor change, and there is no reason to view it as a major conceptual shift. Most importantly, though, this argument says nothing of the harm that would be done, to anyone, by equitable marriage rights.As we deal with marriage in the United States, it is not a social and religious contract. It is a social institution, formalized by legal contracts and frequently honored by religious ceremonies. “Our world” is vague; much of the world we live in is disturbingly unfair; and, while a great amount of knowledge has been amassed overall, most people are ignorant to a surprisingly great deal of it. No, this is the way the clergy has seen fit to define it, and the clergy, until very recently, has been the ruling force. Of course, the clergy have ruled, not over millions of people, but over tens of billions. No, you don’t discriminate against smokers; you prohibit smoking in certain places. Presumably, this is because sec ond-hand smoke causes cancer and reeks, people should not be allowed to give others cancer for the sole reason of being addicted themselves. Equity in marriage neither causes cancer nor smells bad. Births from incestuous relationships are known to yield a higher rate of birth defects, disabilities, etc. – not a problem for gay couples. Moreover, incest tends to foster horrible power imbalances, and marriage should involve only equal partners. The same point regarding power applies, and to a higher degree, to polygamy. Children are not adults, and we believe there are certain decisions children are unfit to make, and the decision to wed is one of them. Thus, we prohibit those arrangements. This is a standard argument, equating gay marriage to the aforementioned prohibitions. I have addressed those, and they simply have nothing to do with the civil marriage of two consenting adults, regardless of sex or sexual orientation. A congregation is involved only when the marriage is honored by a religious ceremony, and I don’t believe anyone suggests that religious commun ities must be required to officiate or honor any particular marriages. There is nothing here to explain why society is involved. I agree that the hope of a future family is involved. After all, there are quite a few gay couples who would love to rear children.-Veronica

  • 14. prop8discussion  |  October 10, 2008 at 4:14 pm

    Veronica,Thank you for your comments. As far as I can tell you make these arguments:1. Same-sex unions should be defined as marriage because society has always determined what the word “marriage” means.2. The “clergy” is responsible for unfairness.3. There will be no ill side affects of an “equitable” marriage definition.The good news is these are common arguments against prop 8. I will be continuing to address them throughout the next couple of weeks so please check back. Comments in reply are welcome.

  • 15. Greg  |  October 10, 2008 at 7:35 pm

    Veronica—

    The distinction between “prohibition” and “discrimination” is largely one of semantics. Isn’t prohibition the most effective way to discriminate against an action or activity that is disfavored? The law discriminates against smokers by prohibiting the act of smoking in areas where smoking may cause injurious effects to others. One could just as easily use the argument that you have articulated to conclude that Proposition 8 is not discrimination—it’s just a prohibition of a certain type of legal arrangement (i.e. marriage) from being applied to same sex couples.

    The issue, however, with Proposition 8 is not one of discrimination. It is about our right as a society to encourage behavior that is beneficial to the society as a whole. Legalizing same sex marriage would not promote society’s interest in promoting childbirth or ensuring that children have both male and female parental influences—the environment in which children do best.

    On the other hand, defining marriage to include only relationships between a man and a woman does accomplish these important societal interests without preventing any man or woman from pursuing whatever type of lifestyle that that individual chooses to pursue.

  • 16. Jennifer B.  |  October 14, 2008 at 9:37 am

    This is excellent.

    I will certainly be linking to it. Thank you for stating so well what many of us wish to say, but are not sure how to express.

    You have defended marriage clearly and beautifully. Thank you.


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